Hey so like, I just was wondering honestly if there's like a way to ask discreetly to random folks you're unsure if they are or not in the alterhuman community if they are, well, alter at all?
I just tried it out with a friend of mine due to some questions and the best I could come up was if he was friends with The Rian. I am really not super creative and don't know any other ways people might know in general. (Admittedly I figured playing on that old 'Friend of Dorothy' trope woulda worked and the fact Rian is a fairly common name or so. i unno!)
What do you guys tend to do in these situations? Do you just up and ask directly if someone is alter? Do you use some specific codewords or something?
It took me way too long to understand who Rian is! The-rian. That’s clever! It would be nice to collectively pick our own “Friend of Dorothy” code. I have seen a few people out and about with tails and wanted to ask, but always felt too nervous. I’ve been tempted to get a theta delta symbol as a pin, patch, or sticker so folks could approach me.
Like vulpinelup, that took me way too long. (Although I'll also admit that this forum is technically my introduction to the community, so that might not say much)
From my experience as effectively being part of the random person demographic, I'd say that I've always been asked pretty bluntly or left to stew until I had a virtual heart-attack from opening the Wikipedia page on Otherkin and immediately seeing the top of a seven pointed star that looked way to close to the eight pointed star I was using as a profile picture at the time.
That said, if you wanted to be discreet with me, the best option would be asking about the why of being a human and not some other animal. It's a question I've had for a long time (Isn't it strange that I was born in one of the most influential countries on earth at the beginning of a completely different form of existence? Isn't it strange that I was born as part of the most advanced/successful species on earth?)
I don't know if that would be the best option overall, but I do think you'd be surprised how many people would be open to the simple question of "Do you ever think about being something other than human?" As a bonus, what they say in response will tell you a lot. (I used to run around asking people what they would do if they woke up as a wolf.)
...Just don't be the person who decided that the best way to break the ice in an elevator was to say, "Ooh, a wolf shirt! Do you like wolves? Do your see yourself as a wolf? Are you a furry!?"
What I have done before is offer my identity first rather than asking them what they are. It is very effective I have found! Works for sexuality, gender identity and alter-human status. I find that offering my identity first takes off the pressure/anxiety someone else may have with revealing themselves. Basically just laying all my cards on the table. If, of course, they pass the vibe check. But I figure if I would be in the situation that I am wondering about them in the first place they have already passed that.
Lotta good replies! Honestly though the only reason I don't ask directly or even slightly roundaboutish is really to avoid say people starting stupid bullshit or thinking I'm insane. Though I will admit I do dig the idea of bringing up the question of the what ifs. Seems fairly discreet enough. Then again I also like my silly idea of being friends with /the/ Rian. Rian is a really cool buddy. :y
I have the same tactic as snowshoe, i talk about myself while leaving the convo open so they can chime in if they relate. Worked pretty well online, but no success offline so far, aside from a few people sharing about having had phantom limbs as kids.
That said, if you wanted to be discreet with me, the best option would be asking about the why of being a human and not some other animal.
I definitely think this is one of the best ways to gauge it if you don't think it's safe to straight out talk about alterhumanity. It's a question many people will engage with, but few will engage with very deeply. I've talked with my parents about this sort of stuff a few times before even knowing about alterhumanity. questions like "isn't it so weird that we're humans" or "isn't it so weird that we have like hands and no claws and no fur" are things that i talked about somewhat often, and so i know that honestly most people view as interesting thought experiments, not a real lived experience; so it's a lot safer to talk about. And if you treat it seriously, it's likely that if the other person is alterhuman, they may have a much easier time coming out to you, too.
There's also the handy dandy "I saw this online..." or "I met someone interesting today..." approach. Removing it from the context of yourself entirely can help you speak more freely about it, and someone who is also alterhuman is likely to go "I'm like that too, actually!" if you treat it with respect.
In general these are also a good way to introduce people to the concept of alterhumanity and gauge how they might react to you coming out, if you wish to. Talking about the concept of a thing vaguely when it comes to any identity thing is really helpful in gauging this stuff-I talked to my mom and therapist about another facet of alterhumanity, plurality, in vague terms and in terms of other people before telling either of them about my system. I was able to tell from the toe dipping that they were likely not going to react negatively or with total disbelief. They did have some not all that great preconceived notions, but it was clear to me that they were the kind that if they actually met a system, could change.
it's kind of a weird social game, I'm autistic so like god knows I know, but it's one that i felt kinda good upon figuring it out. feels like playing the role of a well meaning trickster god
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we desperately need advice on this as well! i do like the idea of having a community shibboleth (friends of the rian) but i think also it might be hard to backtrack if the other person doesn’t pick up on it. (“the rian? who’s the rian?”) also, unless that’s supposed to be pronounced “the ryan” vs. “the re-in” then i don’t know any people named rian, so that kinda loses the whole “common name” thing (well, i know a grian, but no rians, but even then it’s a very uncommon name). and if it is supposed to be pronounced as “the ryan” then it’s likely to go over a lot of people’s heads and they might just say ‘oh yeah! i know the ryan!’ in reference to a person they actually know, and just assuming the added ‘the’ was a bit; which could potentially lead to false positives.
another i’ve thought of is asking if they have a brother/sister/uncle/etc, and then asking ‘do you have any other kin?’ but that seems pretty risky as well, especially since i feel like that’s the most well-known term outside of the community.
anyway, if anyone thinks of something that would be great